leviathan-supersystem:

polypse:

leviathan-supersystem:

“why, under communism, you wouldn’t even be able to own your own home!”

here’s a documentary on the hong kong protests, and why hong kong citizens live in hell

here’s an interview with a survivor of the tianmen square protest, and was then incarcerated for trying to urge democracy

here are various instances of false information given by china about covid-19 (admittedly to be taken with a grain of salt, because wikipedia, but nearly every claim here is backed up with a direct quote or excerpt).

here’s an entire book about chinese disinformation

here a chinese advisor attempted to advise against fake news, only to double back. others were worried such a law could be used to silence protestors

a video of xinjiang uyghur internment camps, which are concentration camps in every sense of the word. also, some leaked files about how they organized it, which could theoretically be fake, but if they are true, they are horrifying.

chinese whistleblowers exposing xinjiang torture

but what about this document? an interview with sri lanka’s foreign secretary, saying he saw no genocide taking place!

well, what is xinhua, anyway?

hmm….

but, well, it’s Sri Lanka! a third party! that gives it objectivity, doesn’t it?

or perhaps sri lanka might be untrustworthy too…

but, well, none of that’s related to home ownership, right? and the bbc is western, so why would it have any incentive to lie-

…oh…

so, yeah, please seek these sources, stop sucking the dick of genocidal totalitarians, etc etc. thanks. i could go on, because there really are a lot of sources, but i really do not feel like arguing any longer, and im pretty sure this will all deflect right off you anyway, lol. plus, i have to take a shower bye bye

alright let’s start at the end of your reply and work our way backwards to the beginning.

the most flagrantly false claim you make here is your implication that HSBC is a Chinese company- this is incorrect. while the company was founded in Hong Kong and Shanghai in 1865, it was founded not by Chinese people, but rather, by colonists from the UK operating in China (remember that Hong Kong remained under British control until 1997):

notably, this is something you would have been able to see for yourself if you actually clicked the link you have screentshotted. since i can only assume you did actually read the link, it’s pretty obvious this was a deliberate act of dishonesty on your part.

indeed, not only is HSBC not a Chinese company, but they have in fact come into conflict with the Chinese government in the past, specifically in relation to HSBC ratting out the Chinese company Huawei to the USA over Huawei’s business dealings in Iran, as was reported in the Chinese newspaper the Global Times [link]:

so not only is HSBC not a Chinese company, not only do they not have a motivation to lie to defend China, but they actually have a verifiable history of having acted against China! the idea that they would be falsifying data to make China look better than the UK is frankly ludicrous.

your attempt to cast doubt on the data here hinges entirely on your false claim that HSBC is a Chinese-run company, a claim i have shown to be a lie, so i could stop here if i wanted to.

i won’t though.

working further backwards in your post, to your argument about Xinhua and Sri Lanka, your argument for why Sri Lanka is supposedly untrustworthy and biased toward China is a strange one. your argument seems to hinge on the notion that Sri Lanka is debt-trapped by China. while this is questionabe, even if it were true, why would a country go out of it’s way to defend a county they’re debt-trapped by? surely, getting China overthrown would be the easiest way for Sri Lanka to escape the debt trap, were this true!

and while Xinhua being a Chinese company might very well give them a bias in favor of China, this, in itself, does not prove their statement is untrue, but more significantly- you chose that source! like! you could have easily found any number of the ultiple sources making the same claim which are not owned by China! [link][link][link] and notably, all three of these reports come from anti-China sources- and, indeed, repeat some false claims about China- but nonetheless come to the conclusion that the genocide narrative about China’s policy in Xinjiang is unjustified.

but i think what gets really interesting is what you’ll notice if you really look at the broader pattern of which countries are pushing the Uyghur genocide narrative and which countries dispute it. here’s a map of which countries signed a UN resolution by the US condemning China’s actions in Xiniang, and which countries signed a counter-resolution defending China from the accusations- and you’ll note from the “mass detention” wording that this map comes from an anti-China source, even, and won’t be guilty of pro-China bias:

do you notice anything strange? do you notice that Muslim-majority middle eastern countries almost unanimously are standing with China on this, while western countries with a long history of bombing Muslim countries are the one’s condemning China? that’s strange, right? one would expect, if China were actually committing genocide against muslims, that the loudest condemnation would be coming from the muslim world, no?

now, does this mean that China’s policy in Xinjiang has been without it’s problems? not at all- China’s anti-terrorist crackdown in response to the islamist terror attacks in Xinjiang in 2014 has been explicitly modeled after the USA’s war on terror, and has had many of the same issues in terms of overreach, racial profiling, and lack of due process. muslim-majority countries have the perspective to see clearly here who is the lesser of two evils here- China for example actually re-releases suspected terrorists back into society after rehabilitation, while suspected terrorists are disappeared indefinitely into the USA’s global network of CIA black sites (Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib are only the most infamous).  use of torture by the USA in CIA black sites is a proven fact with hard evidence, meanwhile no such evidence has been provided to substantiate accusations such as this from supposed whistleblowers against China, and what attempts have been made to provide such hard evidence have been proven to be fraudulent (see this example of Taiwanese bdsm footage being falsely passed off as Chinese torture [link])

there’s a chilling hypocrisy to the United States pointing the finger at China over their policy toward Uyghurs in Xinjiang, given that China is at worst guilty of a toned-down version of the USA’s own abhorrent War on Terror policy.

regarding your link to an article about a Chinese advisor having floated the idea of passing laws to punish people who spread misinformation online, i’m genuinely unsure of what point you think you’re making, since the article is about misinfo being spread by civilians, not by the Chinese government, and the fact that the laws he proposed don’t exist let shows that the Chinese government actually has a lot less power to censor the internet than western sources generally claim. it seems like you just googled “Chinese disinformation” and then just posted whatever link you found without stopping to actually read it.

regarding your link to “an entire book about Chinese disinformation”- did you look into the publisher of that book?

seems like they minght have a bit of a bias, no?

regarding covid-19 misinfo, it’s hilarious to try to point the finger at China over early attempts by local officials to downplay the crisis to the USA having the literal president himself not only downplay the crisis consistently, but also suggest that people should drink bleach. not to mention your link doesn’t bother to actually debunk claims by China that the virus may have originated outside China (which is a very real possibility). while China’s covid response hasn;t been perfect, it’s been leagues better than he USA’s by a substantial margin, as is shown by the monumental death toll in the USA.

western reporting on the events at Tiananmen square have been marred by the same flagrant misinfo as most western reporting on China- and documents leaked on wikileaks have proven this to be the case, and that the western narrative is inaccurate. read these links for a look into the actual evidence of what happened at Tiananmen in 1989 [link][link]

overall, i think you need to be a little more critical of the official narrative against China, given the evidence at hand. a lot of the accusations against China simply don’t hold water. there’s a reason that, as previously mentioned, muslim-majority countries clearly view China as the lesser of two evils compared to the USA, and maybe you should too.