going “ohohohoh! but vietnam had panicbuying shortages two months ago too!” comes off as pretty weak in light of the fact that vietnam hasn’t had any new covid-19 cases in 4 days while in the US is ramping up to 2000 deaths a day. like yeah maybe vietnam had some issues too but look at the big picture here.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-each-day-2020-n1177936
link for those interested
If you believe the Chinese numbers. Do you believe them?
Also per capita how we doing?
where are “chinese numbers” referenced anywhere in this post moron
per capita the united states is doing shit, so i don’t know where you were going with that
“Us is doing worst, so long as we ignore the sketchy as fuck Chinese stats” thats how it fits in.
U.S. has one of the lowest coronavirus mortality rates worldwide but highest number of deaths
having a low mortality rate among the infected for a disease you’ve completely failed to contain the spread of is a pretty weak accomplishment.
regarding per capita death in relation to the whole population, the US is indeed currently trailing behind spain, italy, france, and various other european imperialist shit nations, but i’m not sure how that Le Epically Owns the commies. maybe if one of the countries which was doing worse in per capita deaths was communist? but alas, they’re not, so it seems your point is stupid and you’re an idiot.
Isnt that what you praise china on? Who actually managed to fail to stop the spread so badly that it spread to most of the world?
Is this how you react when you get anything wrong?
Remind me what is your source that China has mo new cases? Is it the Chinese government? Does that not invalidate your own rules on bias in a legit source?
? my praise has mostly been for vietnam, and if you’re going to go off the logic of “every country where an epidemic originated holds personal responsibility logic” i’d love to hear you call for the heads of the leadership of the country where spanish flu originated (not actually spain, interestingly). also, i seem to remember american tourists in china demanding they break quarantine and go home, but i’m sure they have no culpability here.
also, again, we’re talking about vietnam, not china. what source are you using to argue that vietnam has more deaths per capita in comparison to overall population than the united states does?
No one actually really knows where spainish flu started, theories range from China, US, and the trenches of ww1.
But they atleast have more responsibility and ability to stop the spread than say a nation who it spread to. And a nation whose censorship and misinformation helped the virus spread, does in fact hold personal responsiblity.
Also my reasoning is more rational than empirical, in that most of the news in Vietnam being subject to a great degree government control. Will do as it as it has in the past and will atleast flavor the the results to be more favorable.
But they atleast have more responsibility and ability to stop the spread than say a nation who it spread to.
on what fucking basis? this is obviously invented on the spot to absolve the united states of the basic responsibility to keep their citizens safe. and a nation in spreads to would have fore-warning and be able to prepare in advance, which obviously the country where it originated would have no way to do.
like even if, hypothetically, as soon as the first case had been recorded China prevented anyone from leaving the country, that still wouldn’t have stopped an asymptomatic infected person from having left before any cases were detected and before the lockdown started.
you obviously don’t apply this logic consistently/
also the source of the statistics being reported in the media are the government’s of the respective countries in question regardless of the level of “government control.” like you know that journalists aren’t personally counting the dead and they’re getting the number from the CDC right.“my reasoning is more rational than empirical” you know i always found this use of the term “rational”- as an opposite to “empirical”- really funny and in-apt, since of course ignoring the empirical evidence is extremely irrational.
The US is a major destination for trade and travel in and out of the nation, once the infection started it was going to
How much time was that again?
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-timeline.html
A Timeline of the Coronavirus Pandemic
Rational, pretaining to logic and reasoning. Which you have to use along side emperical data to both gather and make sense of it.
Mine takes the empirical fact of censorship, and uses that to reason that Vietnam is lying about its numbers (which btw has been my case all along).
ah, and therefore we should trust the numbers you pulled out of your ass without evidence. or actually, the numbers you refuse to pull out of your ass because you haven’t given any estimate, your logic is entirely “well they’re probably lying and therefore it must be a worse death toll worse than in the united states.”
even if we assume that vietnam is lying, why does that immediately mean there must be more cases? maybe the vietnamese exaggerated the number of cases, like some right-wingers have been claiming the US is doing to justify continued social distancing. can you prove they’re not?
also it’s really funny seeing you retreat to claiming you have some empirical basis when you already admitted you really don’t. also nice of you to pretend you’re completely unfamiliar with the concept of rationalism as contra to empiricism, which you were clearly referencing, rather than the more colloquial definition “pertaining to logic and reason”
I havent made such a claim nor have I ever sought to.
It doesnt. The only point I sought out to make is that Vietnam lies and thus we cant actually trust the data one way or another.
Now will you address what I said rather than some point I havent?
wow sure is convenient that All Data on covid-19 became Utterly Unknowable the exact instant that evidence shows a planned economy outperforming a free market economy. makes u think.