buckle up doo doo doot
The secert police are gearing up for continued fascism now.
Thank goodness you can currently purchase and own your own assault rifles and ammunition, that second amendment must be looking real appealing right now, right?
when it’s actually available to minorities and not a class/race privilege
Exactly! That’s why big US cities and places where most of the poor/racially diverse settle should have less gun restrictions/taxation instead of more. Wait? What? The Left has been running the cities for decades and actively work to disarm the population? The Left wants people defenseless when (not if in their argument) goes full fascist and starts attacking it’s own citizens? No, but that can’t be the case! The say they’re anti-fascist!
please for the love of god stop confusing the democrats and liberals with the left, we want less gun restrictions/taxation in largely minority areas too, like when you say “tax is theft” every ancom alive will agree with you, you’re just missing the fact that profits are unpaid wages and therefore also theft. We support the arming of the people and the destruction of the state in favour of direct democracy via federalised community assemblies, but we also acknowledge that such changes would be meaningless when the private corporate sphere has at least as much influence over our lives as the state, and there is no democracy there. The private sphere could be similarly federalised into unions or worker co-ops so that people get a say over the means of production and division of profits
There is a difference between the left (encompassing democrats, liberals, and The Left) and The Left, hence the capitalization. The Left doesn’t want less gun restrictions they want gun confiscation. I don’t agree taxation is theft on the whole, some taxation can be left (i.e. 90% of any dollar you make). I think we should take steps to limit the power of the federal government but a straight democrat vote in the current political climate is going to strip you of your rights as fast as the legislation gets signed. Unions have mostly run into the arms of The Left - just look at where their money goes.
Annarco-communism won’t work, it’s called a dictatorship and last time I checked those don’t usually end very well.
“The Left doesn’t want less gun restrictions they want gun confiscation”
please i am begging you to read absolutely anything about the actual left, read about the black panthers, read about the SRA, read about what marx actually said about gun rights, read any book, any book at all, my god,
“Annarco-communism won’t work, it’s called a dictatorship”
just any book, please,
Let me check that I’m understanding you correctly. You do not think that the Democratic Party in the US is “The Left.” Am I correct?
Black Panthers: In theory, not so much of a problem except the methods were a bit grey. Protecting against unlawful imprisonment: yay. Some of the other stuff they did: not so much yay.
SRA: Solicitors Regulation Authority? State Relief Administration? Satanic Ritual Abuse? Which one??
Marx: Yeah, guy said firearms shouldn’t be surrendered. Then why has every communist state started with confiscating firearms shortly after coming to power? In fact, I think when someone tried to go against the government, they were murdered. I guess I will have to double check that though.
Annarco-Communism: When/where has it worked without devolving into a dictatorship? Has it ever been implemented, anywhere, on a large scale, and worked? When it has failed in the past what would you do to ensure it doesn’t fail again?
Let me check that I’m understanding you correctly. You do not think that the Democratic Party in the US is “The Left.” Am I correct?
wrong. i’m esentially seconding this part:
There is a difference between the left (encompassing democrats, liberals, and The Left) and The Left, hence the capitalization.
while pointing out that this point:
The Left doesn’t want less gun restrictions they want gun confiscation
is dead wrong, the far left has made it clear through the existence of groups like the Socialist Rifle Association (please, just any book) that they are in support of gun rights. Similarly with the existence of the pro-gun black panthers (who ronny reagan tried to disarm, btw!) also, everything the black panthers did was extremely yay.
the claim that “every communist state started with confiscating firearms shortly after coming to power” is dead wrong- while some socialist countries have regretably imposed gun restristions, the claim that they are far and away more likely to do so than capitalist countries simply does not hold up to scrutiny [link]
Annarco-Communism: When/where has it worked without devolving into a dictatorship? Has it ever been implemented, anywhere, on a large scale, and worked? When it has failed in the past what would you do to ensure it doesn’t fail again?
well, we could point to Rojava, or the
Rebel Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities. moreover, i’d dispute the implication here that Marxist-Leninist countries are “dictatorships” in the sense you’re refering to- in these countries the workers council system holds more power than any ceremonial figurehead. we can, of course, talk about various blunders committed by Anarcho-Communist or Marxist-Leninist countries- from Rojava regrettably working with the United States to the Dengist turn the PRC took- but to have a constructive conversation i feel like you’re going to have to learn a lot more about how what you’ve been told all your life is inaccurate, and you’re going to have to spend a lot of time Listening To People Who Lived Through Communism before you’re even equipped to have this conversation. here’s some starters:
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-russians-fond-lenin-and-regret-soviet-collapse-449624
https://aeon.co/essays/the-merits-of-taking-an-anti-anti-communism-stance
If the SRA is for firearm rights why are they protesting to keep the socialist dictator that disarmed the Venezuelan people (and is now mowing them down with armored vehicles) in power?
Checking your source, apologies if I’m wary of: https://www.marxists.org/history/cuba/subject/bay-of-pigs/index.htm
Or a link where the “about us” is: Return to the Source is a Marxist-Leninist, anti-imperialist journal…
I wonder what possible motivation they could have to paint these events in a positive light? I don’t shy away from the dark parts of American history, there’s some fucked up shit there and last time I checked the only perfect being was Jesus. (Can we also rule out rape as a “yay” and agree everyone has stuff they wish didn’t happen?)
Large scale examples? The one’s you’re bringing up are small self governing bodies, nothing large scale. Rojava, the entirety of it, is less than ¼th the population of New York City.
I have talked to people who lived through Communism - they fled because their friends and family were executed for peacefully protesting.
One hardly needs to support the entirety of the policy of Maduro to oppose a brazen attempt to stir up a military coup to install an unelected US puppet like Guaido into power- and i notice your attempt to frame the coup as if they’re the masses of “the venezuelan people” and brush over the reality that they are a US-supported violent military coup.
It seems interesting that you seem very Concerned about how a possible pro-marxist bias might influence my source, but don’t seem to mind the anti-marxist bias of the material you immerse yourself in. Surely, if you’re interested in learning what marxists actually think, you might want to see what the marxists themselves have to say, instead of only hearing about marxism from it’s opponents.
declaring that a country with a multi-million population is small potatoes leads me to believe this is a goal-post moving tactic, and no matter how large the example i gave was, you’d poo-poo it for being too small.
if you’re going to get an accurate impression of life in the soviet era, you’re going to want to get a census from more than whatever small handful of people you have encountered in right-wing circles, and to actually see what the overall view of the population is rather than a minuscule sampling of anecdotes. are you willing to even address the statistics i linked, or are you going to ignore them?
lolz on many counts - including you think the people I know fled from the Soviets decades ago? A lot closer to home and a lot sooner. Have a good one.
P.S. It would be considered a goal post move if I hadn’t specified large scale before your response.
“lolz on many counts - including you think the people I know fled from the Soviets decades ago? A lot closer to home and a lot sooner”
bro the soviet union broke up twenty eight years ago lmaoooo how did they “flee from the soviets” more recently than that? they time travelers? dumbass?
When did I type the phrase “flee from the soviets” in the above thread?
theindependentconservative literally said “decades ago” but leviathan-supersystem will just ignore that part so they can try to make their opponent look dumb
Also “everything the black panthers did was yay” oh yeah im super yay about the leaders of a minor terrorist organization raping black women as practice for raping white women, in their own words. So yay.
“theindependentconservative literally said “decades ago” but leviathan-supersystem will just ignore that part so they can try to make their opponent look dumb”
they said “decades ago” in the context of saying:
“lolz on many counts - including you think the people I know fled from the Soviets decades ago? A lot closer to home”
in other words, they’re saying that i am incorrect to assume the people in question fled the soviets decades ago. i know reading can be hard for someone with your mental abilities, but just sound the words out, c’mon, i know you can do it.
you are, of course, badly mangling a reference to a quote from eldridge cleaver when he was relating his criminal past before turning his back on his old abhorrent ways, and explaining how the black panthers helped him to leave this past behind.
you might argue that it’s unforgivable to tolerate someone who did something that repulsive even if they claim they’ve changed- and i’ll grant that’s a fair critique. but i’d hope you’d apply it consistently, since eldridge cleaver later became a conservative republican and even spoke at republican events. surely, if his disgusting past reflects poorly on the black panther party, it reflects just as poorly on the republican party as well.